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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-23-2016, 07:04 PM Thread Starter
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Why not Sea-Doo?

From what I can tell, it seems that Sea-Doo's are relatively popular. What are some of the main reasons for people being against Sea-Doos?
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Some folks have had problems with warranty service, and the fuel injected models are extremely expensive to repair if not under warranty.
Some have had good luck with theirs, but myself, Zardoz, and a few others I know, prefer to stay away from them. Yamaha and Kawasaki have a proven, reliable track record, and produce a ski to suit just about every ability, and riding style.
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What I have been told by many PWC mechanics is that Yamaha and Kawa PWC's come in for routine maintenance. sea doos come in for major repairs.

Mid 2000s sea doo 4 strokes were known for bad timing chains.

When sea doo moved its factory from Canada to Juarez it didn't seem to be an improvement.

Bells and whistles don't do you much good if your engine is toast.

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I just purchased a 300 HP beast of a sea doo and I love it. It has lots of features I like and ferocious power. I also have a Yamaha VX 110 and it's nice also but it's a different class of machine.

Obviously the biggest concern of any PWC is the engine and in my sea doo the turbocharged engine is manufactured by Rotax. The United States Air Force and CIA are currently flying over 200 MQ-1 predator drones. They can operate for 24 hours over great distances (600 miles+) gathering intelligence and sticking Hellfire missiles up Taliban butts. Powered by what? You guessed it, a Rotax turbocharged engine. Not to mention how many ultra-light aircraft, snowmobiles and 4 wheelers are also powered by Rotax engines.

The point is I'm not seeing any evidence of general Rotax unreliability out there. On the contrary their widespread acceptance in just the aviation industry should be testimony to high quality and reliability.

If you watched the news yesterday you saw we killed another Taliban leader with a Rotax powered drone. The timing chain didn't come off of that one did it Zar?

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Was the drone Rotax made in Juarez?

Highest quality, or lowest bid?

GM produces Cadillacs and Chevies. Same quality?

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I'm sorry Nighthawk. the drone Rotax and your brand-new beast weren't made in Juarez. They were more than likely made in Queretaro. Since the beginning of 2015 all sea doo Rotax engines and PWCs have been made in Queretaro.

I'm sure you're very proud.

sea doo must think that Canadians just don't work that hard.

I'm sure the move south greatly improved sea doo's product quality. Just think what quality that would result if sea doo moves its plant to Tierra del Fuego, or maybe the south pole!

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Just some additional information I thot you all might like to know.

09.17.12
Yamaha WaveRunners and boats are proudly assembled in the U.S.A. at Yamaha manufacturing facilities located in Newnan, Georgia and Vonore, Tennessee respectively. Yamaha is one of the few manufacturers in the personal watercraft and boat business that manufacturers every major component of the product to include the hull, deck, engine and drive train.

04.16.13 YAMAHA COMPLETES $3 MILLION PLANT EXPANSION
Yamaha WaterCraft Group, a division of Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A., today announced the completion of a $3 million dollar expansion of Yamaha Jet boat Manufacturing, the company’s boat manufacturing plant located in Vonore, TN.

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Yamaha WaveRunners are assembled with American pride at their manufacturing facility located in Newnan, GA. Yamaha is one of the few manufacturers in the marine business that manufactures every major component of their products including the hull, deck, engine and drivetrain.

Seems like at least one PWC company is providing jobs to people in this country. Probably pays taxes here too. Do I want to support a company that assembles its products in Queretaro, or in Newnan, GA? I like Newnan, GA.

Have a happy Memorial Day! Looks like it's gonna be 85 degrees around here. Maybe will hit the H2O!

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Also, by the way, in 2011, after my 2006 sea doo gti committed suicide @ 47 hrs, I bought a 2002 Yamaha XLT 1200. Went from 4-stroke to 2-stroke as it was all I could afford after losing $2,500 + on the sea doo. Paid $3,200 w/o trailer.

Checking KBB, or NADA, today, my 2002 Yamaha XLT 1200 is worth $3,200. That's five years after I bought it.

Wonder how much a brand new PWC that sold for $17,000 will be worth in 5 years?

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From what I can tell, it seems that Sea-Doo's are relatively popular. What are some of the main reasons for people being against Sea-Doos?
Sea-Doos are popular for good reason. BRP builds top-quality units that offer great performance and reliability. Fit and finish are excellent and their electronics are ahead of the competition. Plus, they're supported by the biggest dealer network.

Like all powersports, brand loyalty plays a big role in the type of comments you get on forums. Pick the brand based on the quality of the dealerships near your riding area. Pick the model based on your needs and wants.
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I was simply trying to address any idea that Rotax produces an inferior product. Evidence for that doesn't seem to be out there. Long gone are the days when quality control varied significantly based on assembly plant location. Many companies, American included, choose their assembly plant locations based solely on market conditions and labor costs, not how hard the people work. Reliability is much more dependent on engine design and general company practices rather than where the building is located.

Enjoy your holiday. it finally stopped raining.

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