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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old 04-26-2017, 04:55 PM Thread Starter
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Yamaha 2008 FX 1100 Cruiser Disaster

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First post, I bought a Yamaha 2008 FX1100 Cruiser with 97 hours about a month ago in Colorado. It was too cold out so we couldn't lake test it, and it started and sounded great, so I bought it (Dumb Move on my part). Took it home to do the first hose test once in warmed up, and the Oil Pressure warning light and buzzer started going off. Took it to the local Yamaha dealer and after 4 hours they determined that it needed a new ECU, Cylinder number 1 was staying open and just spraying fuel. Got the old owner to split it with me and I was out the door for $2000, but they assured me everything tested out fine and this thing is in great shape.

First lake test was last weekend, i was off the trailer and started it up and 3 seconds later i got the same oil warning light again. Restarted it, just thought it might be a fluke and sure enough, same Oil warning light and buzzer. Got it to the beach, checked the oil, and the oil tank was empty, but had about 4 inches of oil and water at the bottom of the hull. Got it home to find a dime size crack in the crankcase. Ouch.

Took it back to the dealer this week, they found another hole in the top of the crankcase the size of a golf ball.
They are saying the rod must of been damaged prior to them working on it and Yamaha told me to pound sand because the year of the ski. I'm out of money and can't afford to fix it.

Questions:
Is the dealer at fault here at all?
What are my options?
Besides this, the ski looks brand new.

Thanks for the help.
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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old 04-27-2017, 04:58 AM
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Couple of things I see. Went in for the low oil pressure, and ended up being a ECU ? A stuck injector is not always the fault of the ecu. It may just be a stuck injector. Either way, did they change the oil and filter afterwards ? A injector dumping fuel like that will dilute the oil in no time, but should have still provided it to be able to idle back to shore without major damage.
Did you start the ski and run it on the hose for a couple of minutes after you got it home from the shop, and was it running smooth, or did it seam to have a slight miss and/or hesitation to it ? A injector that is continually spaying fuel and not cycling WILL induce a absolutely pig rich condition that should foul a plug in no time, and give a extremely rich smelling exhaust. The excess fuel can also wash the cyl wall of all oil and cause it to seize which will cause the rod to be bent and break, going through the case.
My opinion is that it is the shops fault for not following through with a complete repair, and stating everything was in order and ready to go when it evidently wasn't.
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Thanks for the reply, they thought the Injector was the problem at first and cleaned and floated them. After that was done and the injector #1 seemed fine but was still staying open, the Yamaha service rep told them to replace the ECU to see if that would work. Which they said it did and I paid them $2000 to fix this. They also said after it was fixed they did 2 oil flushes and a new filter. They said they ran it on the hose and everything worked perfect. If the rod was bent at this point, wouldn't they be able to tell and something wouldn't of been working right??

I did not test it when I got home on the hose, I dry started a couple times and it sounded great, I did check the oil before and it seemed fine.

The very minute I started in the lake, that extra load must of caused it to bend the shaft and throw it through the crankcase, the question is dealer fault or am I screwed?

When we called Yamaha Customer Service to see if they could help us at all, they said that the dealer had never called them about this ski and they didn't advise putting in the ECU. If they had, they might have been able to help us. When we asked the dealer about this, they said the mechanic and local yamaha rep are buddies and he is the one who advised the ECU so it wasn't on the record.
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post #4 of 4 (permalink) Old 04-27-2017, 01:27 PM
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Before you can go after someone for doing something wrong, such as the dealer for improperly repairing the machine, you need someone else (a Yamaha PWC expert in your case) to look at the machine and tell you what the first guy did wrong. The shop you sent it to could simply say, "We followed all standard procedures, we did not do anything wrong, and it was just the machine's time to die." You need someone else to say, 1 - the standard procedures were not followed, or 2 - the standard procedures were followed but the mechanic did something wrong and that was the DIRECT AND PROXIMATE CAUSE of the engine failure. Without such an expert opinion it will probably be hard to prove that the engine failure was the shop's fault. Feces happens.

It's like if you have the roof on your home replaced and then the next week the new roof leaks. You want to sue the roofer for doing a bad job, so you got to get another roofer to say what the first one did wrong. The expert roofer may say, "Wait a minute, there's a tree branch that has fallen and smashed a hole in your roof since last week and that's what is causing the leak, not neglect or malfeasance on the first roofer's part. A tree branch putting a hole through your roof, or a meteorite if you want to get romantic, is not the fault of the guy who put the new roof on. You gotta figure out the problem, and then have an expert tell what the other guy did wrong that caused the problem. Then you may be able to hold them liable for the repairs.

I was in your shoes in 2012, when I bought a 2001 Yamaha XLT 1200 that was guaranteed to "run perfect" but which had a burnt cylinder. I took the machine to two different repair shops. The first J&J Sales and Service in Huron OH, would not give me an opinion as to whether or not my 15 minutes of use of the machine caused the burnt cylinder. They were real sphincters who charged me $200, gave me my machine back in pieces, and did nothing to help me. Avoid J&J Sales and Service even if you are desperate.

I told J&J to KMA and went to another mechanic. MJD Motorsports in Bellvue OH. After looking at my machine's parts and pieces Mike at MJD signed a statement I prepared that said that due to the condition of the engine the cylinder was without doubt burnt when I bought it and nothing I did in 15 minutes of trying to get the PWC to run could have caused the extensive damage to the cylinder. I sued the seller in small claim court and won a judgment of $3,000. The gutless seller did not appear in small claim court, but the SOB did appear in federal bankruptcy court and named me as a dischargable creditor.

Never, never buy a used PWC without putting it in the water first and running it for over 20 min. No matter what the lyin' seller says about how good it is.

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