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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 04-09-2013, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
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2003 Yamaha 1200 XLT

Hi all,

I'm looking to purchase a pair of waverunners and would like some help. They are (2) 2003 YAMAHA 1200 XLTs. Each has around 200 hours. Any general info you could provide on these would be great...reliability, stability, fuel efficiency, ect.

Here is what is all included in the purchase:
The 2 waverunners
Double Shorelander trailer
8 life vests
4 wet suits, water shoes, gloves, ect
tow ropes
2 emergency kits

Price $4,500 *** BUT, one machine needs about $1,200 of work (piston head?)

So my next question is... is this a fair deal?

The machines have been well maintained, winterized, and have new batteries.

Any and all help is much appreciated.

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1. The "piston head" problem really shoots up a red flag. That machine is only worth the cost of the hull. $1200 is a very optimistic cost for repair on a ski that would probably only be worth $1500 if it were in perfect shape.
2. 200 hours on 2 stroke engines is considered really high. I know guys that have 2 strokes with 300 hours without problems, but they are definitely the exception and not the rule. I would avoid skis with more than 100 hours if they are 2 strokes. In other words, the one ski that has not toasted its engine yet, is a bomb waiting to explode. Absolutely would need a compression test on that one before you buy. At 200 hours you are basically buying an engine at the very end of its useful life span.
3. 2 stroke skis are yesterday's technology. I've seen just too many problems with them to ever be able to recommend a new buyer getting a used one. IMO there is still a market for used 2 stroke skis, but it is for guys that really know their way around them, and are competent at completely repairing them including rebuilding the carbs. and engines. You really need to be a ski expert or have one look the ski over to know whether a 2 stroke is a good buy or not.

My BEST advice for you is to keep looking, and limit what you look for to 4 stroke skis. Either Seadoo or Yamaha. Avoid Honda, and Kaw used skis unless you really know what you are looking at.

What is you top price range? For $4500 you can get a nice used Yamaha VX that will run forever, have no stinky 2 stroke smell, be very easy to maintain, and get much better gas mileage than the XLT (or any other ski for that matter). In addition 200 hours on a 4 stroke ski is just getting it broken in. Its going to last much longer than a 2 stroke.

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BrentK,

I cannot, and will not, argue with Ernest T, but as an owner of 2 XLT's I can say that they are really a lot of fun, with pleanty of power and great stability. Also, where I come from - NW OH - early-mid 2000's XLT's sell for about $2,500 - $3,000 w/ a trailer, if they are in good shape and well cared for. If Ernest T would send some of those $1,500 XLT's this way I could sell them and we could make some $$$$$!

That's the rub, if you take Ernest T's advice and spend $4,500 on a 4-stroke, that's what you will get = one 4-stroke. If you take about the same amount of money, and you're lucky, you can buy two 2-strokes for the same amount of cash.

As to the $1,200 "piston repair," that could easily escalate to $2,000 - $3,000 depending on how much damage is found once a mechanic breaks into the engine. Piston repairs become carb repairs, which become crank repairs. However, a fairly total rebuild of the XLT by a mechanic will run you $2,500 - $3,000 in my area of the country, which is about as much as the ski is worth (around here). But a rebuild of a 4-stroke may run you as much or more. Having owned a 4-stroke sea doo, which puked on me with a broken timing chain @ 47 hours, I know that when a 4-stroke pukes the engine can be destroyed in a few seconds. Whether it costs $2,500 to rebuild a 2-stroke or to rebuild 4-stroke it still costs $2,500 (or $3,000). From my experience a 2-stroke is somewhat easier to work on than a 4-stroke, and depending on the problem, when a 4-stroke pukes you can expect to spend a lot of $$$$$.

I still believe that a well-maintaned 2-stroke, using synthetic oil, which has been "premptively troubleshot" will give you hours and hours of joy on the water, for a lower price than what you would pay for a 4-stroke. The XLT's troubles = oil lines popping off, power valves falling into the pistons, the cat/cons falling apart, are all well-known and can be guarded against.

My advice would be to keep looking. Compare 4-strokes in your price range with 2-strokes, but avoid buying anything that says that the engine was recently rebuilt (why and how), or that needs engine work, or that's been sitting for years. I would rather have a ski with more hours that has been regularly used and maintained than one that has low hours that has sat in a garage (or outside) for years. Try the skis ON THE WATER for at least 1/2 hour before making any commitment.

I would stick with Yamaha, as I am somewhat prejudiced.

Good luck with your search and keep us posted. Hope to see you in the water soon.

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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll continue to explore options. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.

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Any thoughts on the value of this:

Two 2003 Yamaha Waverunner FX140 (4-stroke) and Shore Land'r double Waverunner Trailor.

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In my neck of the woods those skis would sell for between $3,500 and $4,000 EACH, plus probably between $500 - $1,000 for the trailer. Could probably buy everything for $8,000 - $8,500.

But haven't seen anything like these for sale lately.

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In my neck of the woods those skis would sell for between $3,500 and $4,000 EACH, plus probably between $500 - $1,000 for the trailer. Could probably buy everything for $8,000 - $8,500.

But haven't seen anything like these for sale lately.

Happy Hunting.

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+1 I'd say Zardoz is pretty close on the numbers.

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