Just looking for a little help, found an 07 brand new GSPcape for about $8K, not including tax, title and license, however I was quoted out the door final price of $9.7K, not including trailer. Personally I think the price is little steep, almost $1.7K in taxes and prep seems like too much to me. Just wanted to see what others would think. Second question is that I have only been on Yamaha VX series skis, how does the honda compare. I understand that this Honda has more power, more concerned about stability and gas mileage.:thumbsup:
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New 07 Non-Turbos are selling for around $6000 including fees before taxes, and the Turbos are going for $6600, at most dealers in my area. Dealers are trying to clear their inventories. At a boat show I went to in Feb. they were going for $500 less than that. I almost pulled the trigger on that deal, since I'm looking for a new ski, but the wife doesn't like the Honda ride. The GSPcape feature is nearly worthless, but Honda tends to tack on an additional $500 for it. You are better off skipping the GSPcape and adding your own much better GPS unit for less money. $9700 is way high..........keep shopping.
Personally, I think the Yamaha VX is a better more stable ride than the Honda, but I'm an old guy. The Honda is faster and more agile, but also a little more "squirrelly". I would definitely recommend riding one before you buy. My wife and I rented both Hondas and the Yamahas before we bought, and I ended up buying a Yamaha FX to suit her. I wish they had an F-15 to try. I think it would be a nicer ride. Don't know about gas mileage, but the Honda will need premium while the Yamaha will run on regular.
I bought a 2007 GPScape for less than $6800; got the trailer and 3 year warranty for around $9k. I love the Honda----no regrets. The Yamaha dealer was horrible, and the fit and finish (in my opinion) was lacking compared to the Honda. Yes, no 2010 Hondas, but that is to clear '07-'09 inventory as they move PWC production to Japan. I was told they fully expect 2011 production, but even if they don't Honda has been making marine engines for years---I'm not worried.
cooling problem ??
Hey -new to the jet ski world-
I purscased a new 2005 f 12 gscape ----never in the water -0 hours-(previous owner won in a contest and had two skis-and did not use)
took out yesterday for first run for break in -run 5 minutes at idle as instructed in owners manuel..alarm came on for water temp and shuts down-waited a few minutes and restarted-ran about 1 minute idle and shut down again-took to dock loaded and checked intake grate and oil everything seems ok.tied down on trailer and cried all the way home .
tried to flush at the house-it does not seem to take in water--i do not see
water being discharged.
Hey -new to the jet ski world-
I purscased a new 2005 f 12 gscape ----never in the water -0 hours-(previous owner won in a contest and had two skis-and did not use)
took out yesterday for first run for break in -run 5 minutes at idle as instructed in owners manuel..alarm came on for water temp and shuts down-waited a few minutes and restarted-ran about 1 minute idle and shut down again-took to dock loaded and checked intake grate and oil everything seems ok.tied down on trailer and cried all the way home .
tried to flush at the house-it does not seem to take in water--i do not see
water being discharged.
It probably something simple. I'd start by locating the cooling hose where it connects to the pump. Remove that hose and look for a plug or debris. With the hose off, cheek the the pump strainer for blockage. I've heard stories about lizards, bugs, etc finding their way into cooling lines.
Also, check for kinked hoses and check the hull outlets for blockage.
When you have it on the hose, does water drain out the pump at all? Are you certain you're getting the hose adapter connected properly? when on the hose, water should come out somewhere unless everything is blocked. I'm not familiar w/ the exact setup of your ski, but if there's total blockage it would likely be in the 3 or 4 way splitter. You might be able to pull just a couple of hoses then pass a length of coat hanger wire (with the tip taped) through to locate the blockage
Also, check for kinked hoses and check the hull outlets for blockage.
When you have it on the hose, does water drain out the pump at all? Are you certain you're getting the hose adapter connected properly? when on the hose, water should come out somewhere unless everything is blocked. I'm not familiar w/ the exact setup of your ski, but if there's total blockage it would likely be in the 3 or 4 way splitter. You might be able to pull just a couple of hoses then pass a length of coat hanger wire (with the tip taped) through to locate the blockage
Thanks --alot I will try that tomorrow night-I did take a piece of weed eater line and was able to run it about four feet thru the pee hole--also run it thru the flush connector--because it is brand new and has been in a garage for 6 years- maybe it has a plug or something from the factory that was not removed--If I can find a dealer I will take it in tomorrow and will let you know the out come.
As this is a new 05-with zero hours does anyone know if this ski is still under warranty?
I was forced to let it sit today and jumped on my Yamaha and hit the beach..A man should not be allowed to have this much fun...what an escape..
As this is a new 05-with zero hours does anyone know if this ski is still under warranty?
I was forced to let it sit today and jumped on my Yamaha and hit the beach..A man should not be allowed to have this much fun...what an escape..
TROUBLESHOOTING
SUMMARY OF TROUBLESHOOTING
FOR OVERHEATING
This watercraft controls the engine as follows, in the
event it overheats.
• If the cooling water temperature is above 85°C
(185°F), the engine control module (ECM) will
limit the engine speed to 3,000 rpm to prevent
engine damage. If the engine coolant temperature
(ECT) sensor detects a water temperature
above 95°C (203°F), the engine will shut off (failure
code #47).
• If the manifold surface temperature switch
detects the engine is overheating, the ECM will
shut off the engine (failure code #46).
If there are failure codes in the system, first diagnose
the PGM-FI system (page 8-10).
BEFORE BEGINNING
TROUBLESHOOTING
Ask the user about the following condition:
1. Check whether the intake grate (water intake
area) had been clogged (page 4-15).
(Temporary failure if it had been clogged)
2. Ask which of the following symptoms appeared
when the engine overheated.
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
stopped immediately (page 7-5).
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
speed did not rise above approx. 3,000 rpm
(page 7-6).
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
speed did not rise above approx. 3,000 rpm,
then the engine stopped (page 7-8).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY (EXHAUST
COOLING SYSTEM)
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
2. Cooling water hose damage check
Remove the side panels (page 3-5).
Flush the system (page 5-2).
Is there any damage in the water hoses or is the
water hose disconnected?
YES – Repair the damage.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-6
3. Pilot water nozzle (flushing check)
Flush the system and check the pilot water hole
(page 4-15).
Is the water running from the water nozzle?
NO – The system is clogged between the oneway
valve and exhaust manifold.
YES – GO TO STEP 4.
4. Pilot water nozzle (check with the watercraft in
the water)
Start the engine on the water.
Is the water running from the water nozzle?
NO – The system is clogged or the water hose
is disconnected between the jet pump
and one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 5.
5. Test-run
Test run the watercraft in the water.
Does the engine stop as soon as the warning
buzzer sounds?
YES – GO TO STEP 6.
NO – GO TO STEP 7.
6. One-way valve
Check the one-way valve (page 7-9).
Is the one-way valve normal?
NO – Replace the one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 7.
7. Cooling water passage (inlet section)
Check for clogs between the jet pump and oneway
valve.
Is the system clogged between the jet pump
and one-way valve?
NO – Clean or replace the faulty part.
YES – Check the engine cooling system (page
7-6).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE SPEED DID NOT RISE ABOVE APPROX.
3,000 rpm (ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM)
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-7
2. Cooling water hose damage check
Remove the side panels (page 3-5).
Flush the system (page 5-2).
Is there any damage in the water hoses or is the
water hose disconnected?
YES – Repair the damage.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
3. Pilot water nozzle (flushing check)
Flush the system and check the pilot water hole
(page 4-15).
Is water running from the water nozzle?
NO – • ARX1200T3/T3D: GO TO STEP 4.
• ARX1200N3: GO TO STEP 5.
YES – GO TO STEP 6.
4. Check for clogs in the engine cooling system
(ARX1200T3/T3D)
Disconnect the water hose of the inlet side of the
intercooler.
Connect a garden hose to the water outlet joint
and turn on the water.
Is the water spraying forcibly out from the
water hose?
YES – The water passage in the engine is
clogged.
NO – GO TO STEP 6.
5. Check for clogs in the engine cooling system
(ARX1200N3)
Disconnect the water hose of the inlet side of the
exhaust manifold.
Connect a garden hose to the water outlet joint
and turn on the water.
Is the water spraying forcibly out from the
water hose?
YES – The water passage in the engine is
clogged.
NO – GO TO STEP 6.
6. One-way valve
Check the one-way valve (page 7-9).
Is the one-way valve normal?
NO – Replace the one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 7.
7. Cooling water passage (inlet section)
Check for clogs between the jet pump and oneway
valve.
Is the system clogged between the jet pump
and one-way valve?
NO – Clean or replace the faulty part.
YES – Check the exhaust cooling system (page
7-5).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE SPEED DID NOT RISE ABOVE APPROX.
3,000 rpm, THEN THE ENGINE STOPPED
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
2. Engine cooling system check
Perform the engine cooling system check (page
7-6).
Is the system normal?
YES – Correct the faulty part.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
3. Exhaust cooling system check
Perform the exhaust cooling system check (page
7-5).
Is the system normal?
NO – Correct the faulty part
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-9
ONE-WAY VALVE CHECK
Remove the left side panel (page 3-5).
Remove the band and disconnect the water hoses
from the one-way valve to remove it.
Shake the one-way valve. It should make a clicking
or rattling sound.
Apply pressurized water to the inlet port of the oneway
valve. Water should flow through the one-way
valve and out the outlet ports that goes to the
engine and exhaust system.
Apply pressurized water to the outlet ports. Water
should not flow from the inlet port.
SUMMARY OF TROUBLESHOOTING
FOR OVERHEATING
This watercraft controls the engine as follows, in the
event it overheats.
• If the cooling water temperature is above 85°C
(185°F), the engine control module (ECM) will
limit the engine speed to 3,000 rpm to prevent
engine damage. If the engine coolant temperature
(ECT) sensor detects a water temperature
above 95°C (203°F), the engine will shut off (failure
code #47).
• If the manifold surface temperature switch
detects the engine is overheating, the ECM will
shut off the engine (failure code #46).
If there are failure codes in the system, first diagnose
the PGM-FI system (page 8-10).
BEFORE BEGINNING
TROUBLESHOOTING
Ask the user about the following condition:
1. Check whether the intake grate (water intake
area) had been clogged (page 4-15).
(Temporary failure if it had been clogged)
2. Ask which of the following symptoms appeared
when the engine overheated.
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
stopped immediately (page 7-5).
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
speed did not rise above approx. 3,000 rpm
(page 7-6).
– The warning buzzer sounded and the engine
speed did not rise above approx. 3,000 rpm,
then the engine stopped (page 7-8).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY (EXHAUST
COOLING SYSTEM)
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
2. Cooling water hose damage check
Remove the side panels (page 3-5).
Flush the system (page 5-2).
Is there any damage in the water hoses or is the
water hose disconnected?
YES – Repair the damage.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-6
3. Pilot water nozzle (flushing check)
Flush the system and check the pilot water hole
(page 4-15).
Is the water running from the water nozzle?
NO – The system is clogged between the oneway
valve and exhaust manifold.
YES – GO TO STEP 4.
4. Pilot water nozzle (check with the watercraft in
the water)
Start the engine on the water.
Is the water running from the water nozzle?
NO – The system is clogged or the water hose
is disconnected between the jet pump
and one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 5.
5. Test-run
Test run the watercraft in the water.
Does the engine stop as soon as the warning
buzzer sounds?
YES – GO TO STEP 6.
NO – GO TO STEP 7.
6. One-way valve
Check the one-way valve (page 7-9).
Is the one-way valve normal?
NO – Replace the one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 7.
7. Cooling water passage (inlet section)
Check for clogs between the jet pump and oneway
valve.
Is the system clogged between the jet pump
and one-way valve?
NO – Clean or replace the faulty part.
YES – Check the engine cooling system (page
7-6).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE SPEED DID NOT RISE ABOVE APPROX.
3,000 rpm (ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM)
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-7
2. Cooling water hose damage check
Remove the side panels (page 3-5).
Flush the system (page 5-2).
Is there any damage in the water hoses or is the
water hose disconnected?
YES – Repair the damage.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
3. Pilot water nozzle (flushing check)
Flush the system and check the pilot water hole
(page 4-15).
Is water running from the water nozzle?
NO – • ARX1200T3/T3D: GO TO STEP 4.
• ARX1200N3: GO TO STEP 5.
YES – GO TO STEP 6.
4. Check for clogs in the engine cooling system
(ARX1200T3/T3D)
Disconnect the water hose of the inlet side of the
intercooler.
Connect a garden hose to the water outlet joint
and turn on the water.
Is the water spraying forcibly out from the
water hose?
YES – The water passage in the engine is
clogged.
NO – GO TO STEP 6.
5. Check for clogs in the engine cooling system
(ARX1200N3)
Disconnect the water hose of the inlet side of the
exhaust manifold.
Connect a garden hose to the water outlet joint
and turn on the water.
Is the water spraying forcibly out from the
water hose?
YES – The water passage in the engine is
clogged.
NO – GO TO STEP 6.
6. One-way valve
Check the one-way valve (page 7-9).
Is the one-way valve normal?
NO – Replace the one-way valve.
YES – GO TO STEP 7.
7. Cooling water passage (inlet section)
Check for clogs between the jet pump and oneway
valve.
Is the system clogged between the jet pump
and one-way valve?
NO – Clean or replace the faulty part.
YES – Check the exhaust cooling system (page
7-5).
THE WARNING BUZZER SOUNDED AND THE
ENGINE SPEED DID NOT RISE ABOVE APPROX.
3,000 rpm, THEN THE ENGINE STOPPED
1. Cooling water filter
Remove the jet nozzle (page 14-8) and check the
water filter.
Is the water filter clogged?
YES – Clean the water filter.
NO – GO TO STEP 2.
2. Engine cooling system check
Perform the engine cooling system check (page
7-6).
Is the system normal?
YES – Correct the faulty part.
NO – GO TO STEP 3.
3. Exhaust cooling system check
Perform the exhaust cooling system check (page
7-5).
Is the system normal?
NO – Correct the faulty part
WATER FILTER
COOLING SYSTEM
7-9
ONE-WAY VALVE CHECK
Remove the left side panel (page 3-5).
Remove the band and disconnect the water hoses
from the one-way valve to remove it.
Shake the one-way valve. It should make a clicking
or rattling sound.
Apply pressurized water to the inlet port of the oneway
valve. Water should flow through the one-way
valve and out the outlet ports that goes to the
engine and exhaust system.
Apply pressurized water to the outlet ports. Water
should not flow from the inlet port.
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