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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-06-2019, 04:16 PM Thread Starter
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First time ski buyer questions...

Posted this over in the general thread with no luck so far. Hoping the Yamaha enthusiasts can help me with a few questions...

Greetings all.

I've been kind of itching for a ski since I started going down to my MIL's lake house for a few years now and riding them at various rental places. There are a few lakes and a river nearby that would work as well so have started looking into it more.

Specifically, I have been looking at the Yamaha VX Cruiser HO (new). Having a few kids, I want something that could pull a tube and also want plenty of power with some creature comforts for just when wife and I are cruising the larger lakes. I've ridden ski's several times but not this specific model, although it does seem to get good reviews. I know the local place will let me test drive it no problem though. Now, on to the questions...

1. What is your opinion of the ski I am considering?
2. When is the best time to get a ski? I always have heard after July 4th but wondered if there was really a "sweet spot" of when the dealers are really looking to move inventory. I'm not in a huge hurry so can afford to wait it out even if it means I won't be riding until next year.
3. How much off retail to the dealers move, i.e. what is a good deal? The 2019 ski in question retails for $11,499, however, I have seen it at the local place for $9,799 and on PWCTrader for $8,999. What would you guys consider a decent deal?
4. What is a good price for a trailer (single for now, if wife digs it may get another, we'll see)
5. Are you limited to pulling one tube or can you pull two with this model? I know that adds up to four people (two tubers, driver and spotter) but lets assume we could load up easily at the boat slip (like I can at my MIL's place). For reference my kids weight around 100 lbs each right now.
5. What other things am I missing or should I ask about? Anything you have learned over your time with skis you can share that may help a new guy out?

Much thanks for any responses!
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Posted this over in the general thread with no luck so far. Hoping the Yamaha enthusiasts can help me with a few questions...

Greetings all.

I've been kind of itching for a ski since I started going down to my MIL's lake house for a few years now and riding them at various rental places. There are a few lakes and a river nearby that would work as well so have started looking into it more.

Specifically, I have been looking at the Yamaha VX Cruiser HO (new). Having a few kids, I want something that could pull a tube and also want plenty of power with some creature comforts for just when wife and I are cruising the larger lakes. I've ridden ski's several times but not this specific model, although it does seem to get good reviews. I know the local place will let me test drive it no problem though. Now, on to the questions...

1. What is your opinion of the ski I am considering?
2. When is the best time to get a ski? I always have heard after July 4th but wondered if there was really a "sweet spot" of when the dealers are really looking to move inventory. I'm not in a huge hurry so can afford to wait it out even if it means I won't be riding until next year.
3. How much off retail to the dealers move, i.e. what is a good deal? The 2019 ski in question retails for $11,499, however, I have seen it at the local place for $9,799 and on PWCTrader for $8,999. What would you guys consider a decent deal?
4. What is a good price for a trailer (single for now, if wife digs it may get another, we'll see)
5. Are you limited to pulling one tube or can you pull two with this model? I know that adds up to four people (two tubers, driver and spotter) but lets assume we could load up easily at the boat slip (like I can at my MIL's place). For reference my kids weight around 100 lbs each right now.
5. What other things am I missing or should I ask about? Anything you have learned over your time with skis you can share that may help a new guy out?

Much thanks for any responses!
RT
Roy,
Hi, welcome aboard.
I'll give you what I can as I have only older 2Stroke skis.
The vx cruiser is a good ski based on what knowledge I have of them. It will easily pull a tube. 2 may be pushing the limit on any ski. Tubes create quite a bit of drag. I pull 2 teen girls behind a 97 wave venture 1100 on a single tube or hot dog.
As for best time to buy, around this time of year they usually start pushing sales. And making package deals. Ski/trailer.

As for cost. It all varies widely by region so what may be a great deal here may not be there. That being said. To me it comes down to how well you can talk the dealer down and where you feel good about the purchase 😊. Work on them to throw in a cover, trailer, vests, what ever you may need. How much they deal is also based on do they have it already on the lot. or are they ordering it. If it's on there lot it's costing them money and need to move it to make money. One big piece of advice I can't push enough though. DO NOT take possession of the ski before you do a thorough once over. Especially on the underside for deep scratches, Nicks, and gouges. The paint on these skis is delicate. Use what you find as a bargaining chip.

Trailer cost again varies based on manufacturer and model. Galvanized, aluminum, painted. Single galvanized and I'm guessing here around 600/700.

Aways flush and wash ski after use. Keep corrosion down and value up. Especially if saltwater riding. And if in saltwater use saltaway/salt terminator in your flush.
Another point of info ask this same question on greenhulk.net in the 4stoke Yamaha or Yamaha open discussion.

Hope this helps with some of your info needed. I'm not real familiar with the new market for skis. As I prefer the older 2 Stokes.
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Dave -

Thanks so much for the detailed and through response, I appreciate your willingness to help out the new guy

I won't be doing any saltwater action as I have ridden in the ocean several times and, from most of my experiences, it just beats the snot out of your where its not really enjoyable, just my opinion. I am methodical at taking care of my stuff though...my dad made us kids help wash the family boat after every outing and that has stuck with me.

Thanks again.
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No problem Roy. Wish I could have you a little more specifics but just don't have them. Gave you what I'm aware of and or have heard.
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one other thing you might want to consider. The 4 stroke big yamahas are heavy. Consider what you plan to tow it with. Any truck or full size suv will handle it but I see some folks trying to tow them with small cars or the small crossovers...

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Thanks for the input on the weight. I have a full size F150 and my wife has a 4 door Jeep. Either will pull with no problem but certainly something to consider.

Thanks all!
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"FIRST TIME BUYER QUESTIONS" CONT:
From Peter on 9 Aug. 19

You raised some good questions in your lengthy post. Perhaps you can benefit from my experience.

First, in any given price range, from the "entry level" skis like the SPORT and the Yamaha EX, you will find in terms of weight SEADOO is the lightest, YAMAHA's are heavier, and KAWASAKI's are the heaviest. Assuming a half-way decent trailer (you should be able to pick up a good used one for a few hundred dollars), given the kind of vehicles you have, they are sufficiently powerful they wont even feel the weight!.

My SEA DOO GTX ( a three seater) has been superb - trouble free. Turns out since I bought mine, SEA DOO has moved mfg. to Mexico, with some models now made out of a plastic that MAY not prove as tough as fiberglass hulls in service.

Not clear why you are not interested in at least an occasional open ocean run. That's fun - why not have that capability? Which may rule out modern SeaDoos - read somewhere the advertising admits it is for "calmer water" operation. Since SEA DOOS are now made in Mexico, that would rule it out for me.

That gets us to a choice between Kawasaki and Yamaha. I don't think you could go wrong with either - superb quality and tough hulls. Bear in mind that most dealers do not have charity licenses - they are in business to make money. Want cheap ? Wait till a cold rainy day in Feb...you MIGHT get a slightly better deal, both new or used, during the winter.

WARNING - seems, at least in the case of YAMAHA - they pulled a cheap trick dangerous to the consumer, without telling us in advance in their advertising - cannot be towed at more than 5 mph - you have to install a special valve in the water cooling line buried deep in the hull., and remember to operate it correctly each time you use it after a tow.
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Thank you 6686L for the post. I'm not opposed to open ocean but, living in Illinois, it's not like one is close to do that and I probably wouldn't want to trailer it that far (or just drive that far in general). SeaDoo's are out for me based on your comments (and others) about the hull weaknesses on the newer models.

I'm not looking for charity by any stretch, just trying to find the sweet spot at buying time. I've owned and traded probably some 25 cars in my life so very comfortable with that, just wanted to know more about working with PWC sellers. I'm not looking for the "unreal" deal and be a tight ass, just a fair one and didn't know what the markdowns off retail look like. I guess since the model I found retails for around 11,600, the fact you can get them for 9800 at this time (advertised on local dealer website), helps, but just wanted to know what others would expect to pay. Is the 9800 the bottom dollar, or is there more room? I think in Alabama I saw one new for 8900.

Thanks much on the comment about towing. Totally unaware of that and very useful information. Do other skis have the same issue, just out of curiosity as, unless the test drive really sucks, the VX Cruiser HO is what I'm leaning towards.
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Why do you prefer 2-strokes?
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If you'd clarify for a new member the History Mystery:
By "towing at 5-mph" you're referring to in-the-water towing, correct, as in 5-knots/hr.? Can you elaborate on the dirty trick Yamaha pulled-- how was it before, and what are the mechanics that limit to towing that slowly?
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